00:01:26.450 --> 00:01:33.520 Coley: Well, happy February. There are people that didn't. I didn't talk to you last week. Good to see some faces 20 00:01:35.220 --> 00:01:42.630 Coley: I've been running all day, and I don't have anything written down, but I know what's going on. So 21 00:01:43.300 --> 00:01:55.409 Coley: we talked last week we do, and we and we managed mentioned it last month and the month before, and the month before that we do have a new equipment trailer. We thought we had a new equipment 22 00:01:55.640 --> 00:02:06.039 Coley: flash safety truck. Sorry safety track to tow the equipment trailer occasionally, but it looks like that is falling through. So we are still looking for 23 00:02:06.700 --> 00:02:09.120 Coley: the right safety vehicle. 24 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:14.870 Coley: I haven't completely given up. but it doesn't look good. So 25 00:02:15.380 --> 00:02:22.920 Coley: again, if anyone knows of a modern fuel injected, not brand new, good deal 26 00:02:23.190 --> 00:02:29.549 Coley:crewcab cab pickup truck with the utility box on the back kind of the ideal situation 27 00:02:29.590 --> 00:02:33.520 Coley: for the club or anything similar. Let us know. 28 00:02:34.180 --> 00:02:38.650 Coley: Got my eyes on the internet, and we'll come up with something. 29 00:02:38.780 --> 00:02:40.280 Coley: But we are getting close 30 00:02:40.890 --> 00:02:42.930 Coley: to the year. The season so 31 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:46.230 Coley: kind of disappointed in the 32 00:02:46.470 --> 00:02:59.850 Coley: any results there. But what else? Last week you talked, and II don't wanna leave this to our trigger by any means. Suggest that it was on him. But the Board voted 33 00:02:59.870 --> 00:03:05.890 Coley: because of the increases of Ca in cost that we received from Pacific raceways. 34 00:03:06.470 --> 00:03:24.250 Coley: Well, I don't think it was a secret in the past that it was much more expensive for Irdc to host a race at the Ridge. It is now pretty equal with the increases we got from Pacific raceways, and if you noticed in the past, you paid a little bit more to race at the Ridge than Pacific raceways 35 00:03:24.530 --> 00:03:28.649 Coley: because of the previous fact and the fact that we are not out 36 00:03:28.740 --> 00:03:38.140 Coley: as a club to gouge our members. We are balancing. We are doing a balancing act between staying in the red and staying in the black. 37 00:03:38.430 --> 00:03:49.350 Coley: And so now that we are paying a lot more to race at Pacific raceways, we have decided as a board to increase entry fees this year at Pacific raceways. 38 00:03:49.490 --> 00:03:50.770 Coley: It will be 39 00:03:50.780 --> 00:04:01.970 Coley: fairly consistent across the board, no matter where you race with Irc. What you pay to enter, and it should be fairly painless because we did the minimal that we had to do. 40 00:04:02.260 --> 00:04:04.789 Coley: based on projections to 41 00:04:04.900 --> 00:04:11.420 Coley: maintain profitability for a nonprofit. But we all know we need to have operating capital 42 00:04:11.460 --> 00:04:19.999 Coley: to run this club. So that is the other news. And if if it wants to be expanded upon at all. During this meeting. We can do that. 43 00:04:21.370 --> 00:04:28.410 Coley: Aside from that, it's always the same message, right? We need volunteers. We need more people helping to put on the show. 44 00:04:29.060 --> 00:04:30.510 Coley: We have been operating 45 00:04:31.030 --> 00:04:37.909 Coley: without a vice President for about a year, even though Brad has preciously stayed 46 00:04:38.150 --> 00:04:43.869 Coley: in the fold to help us out. We do need some people. 47 00:04:46.330 --> 00:04:57.379 Coley: and we are on the cusp of losing our radio person probably in the next year. So there are just a lot of positions that we need to fill, and if you have any 48 00:04:58.080 --> 00:05:02.609 Coley: desire to help, please reach out to any one of us on the board. 49 00:05:02.700 --> 00:05:04.989 I'm more than happy to answer any questions. 50 00:05:05.660 --> 00:05:13.029 Coley: So that's pretty much the standard message message for the club. We just we we can't have enough volunteers, right? So 51 00:05:13.570 --> 00:05:19.509 Coley: I'll keep saying that probably every month. cause it's true 52 00:05:22.270 --> 00:05:28.619 Coley: as far as that goes, that's all I have. This time I noticed Brad is here if he wants to say anything. 53 00:05:32.060 --> 00:05:35.129 Brad Greco: Howdy, howdy! 54 00:05:35.500 --> 00:05:43.869 Brad Greco: I don't have very much. But continually we're working on the iod, the new Irdc trailer. 55 00:05:44.140 --> 00:05:53.029 Brad Greco: We got all of the junk off of the walls, and we get the walls primed and painted. 56 00:05:53.120 --> 00:06:13.720 Brad Greco: But we did find a rotten piece of plywood in the front of the trailer and found the cause of it. Actually, the roof is not leaking. It's actually the seal on the front of it that it was leaking. There was some caulking there that had failed. And so we're going through and replacing that rottrn piece and getting it out of here, 57 00:06:14.460 --> 00:06:29.839 Brad Greco: Be replaced tomorrow, and then we're gonna put the bed liner down on the main floor of the trailer, and then it should be ready for you, Coley and I, if we want to. 58 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:45.529 Brad Greco: and anyone else who wants to come up with a design for interior storage and figure out where we're gonna put everything. Will need to look for volunteers, form a build party to try to put things together and get it outfitted. So it's ready to go for race season. 59 00:06:45.780 --> 00:07:00.059 Brad Greco: one thing that I don't have a lead on, and I don't know if anyone does is looking for someone who does, you know, not necessarily automotive detailing or someone who can? 60 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:18.679 Brad Greco: that could maybe buff and polish. Just get a get a coat of wax on the thing and make it look nice. I mean, it's over all a decent looking trailer, but it's been sitting out in the weather for numerous years, and probably just needs a quick little buff and wax, and make it look really nice. And then I know Fil was working on some 61 00:07:18.930 --> 00:07:25.069 Brad Greco: potential decals and that kind of stuff for it. Once we get it in a serviceable condition 62 00:07:26.980 --> 00:07:28.030 Coley: right on. 63 00:07:28.740 --> 00:07:31.930 Coley: Thanks for all the hard work on that. And 64 00:07:33.690 --> 00:07:49.679 Brad Greco: parties behind the scenes, too. And we got we got new tires for it. I'll probably in the next week or so run it up and have tires swapped on it, and we're just kind of plugging away at things. But race season is gonna come up here pretty quick. So we need 65 00:07:49.750 --> 00:07:52.569 Brad Greco: some help to get this thing put together. 66 00:07:53.490 --> 00:07:58.199 Coley: Indeed! Alright. Dick, would you like the 67 00:07:58.980 --> 00:08:00.220 Dick Boggs: yeah. 68 00:08:00.380 --> 00:08:07.250 Dick Boggs: Well, the General meeting minutes of January third, 2024. We're 69 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:12.740 Dick Boggs: posted a little late, due to my using AI 70 00:08:13.230 --> 00:08:18.520 Dick Boggs: generated transcription and revisiting 71 00:08:18.640 --> 00:08:21.330 Dick Boggs: the content to make sure it was correct. 72 00:08:21.550 --> 00:08:38.260 Dick Boggs: and with Carl's help adding the corrections and then transposing it to a word file to be sent to those that I have email addresses for and posted on the IRDC Website. Carl was a great help in helping with that. 73 00:08:38.309 --> 00:08:39.650 Dick Boggs: And 74 00:08:39.940 --> 00:08:45.509 Dick Boggs: I am technically challenge so was kind of fun to try to get through it. 75 00:08:46.560 --> 00:08:47.689 Coley: It looked good 76 00:08:51.060 --> 00:08:57.219 Coley: the the problem, I will proceed with AI in the future with the transcripts, it just can't capture 77 00:08:57.550 --> 00:08:59.620 Coley: intent or inflection. 78 00:08:59.770 --> 00:09:04.670 Coley:and 79 00:09:04.760 --> 00:09:09.410 Coley: we are going to have potential confusion in the in the future, or 80 00:09:09.590 --> 00:09:18.290 Coley: it'll be difficult for people that weren't there to get a feeling of what was said, and and with what inflection? Right? So 81 00:09:18.380 --> 00:09:20.249 Coley: get through. 82 00:09:20.490 --> 00:09:23.859 Dick Boggs: As I mentioned, as I mentioned to you. 83 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:32.089 Dick Boggs: It currently takes from 2 and a half to 3 hours to do it manually twice a month. 84 00:09:32.510 --> 00:09:45.709 Dick Boggs: and so this has cut the time down to about half. But you need to go in and make sure that everything is there and correct. Interesting AI did not understand the word decals 85 00:09:46.190 --> 00:09:54.849 Dick Boggs: also. Carl. Loaded, too. 86 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.269 Gary Hallberg: Is it Canadian? They have decals? 87 00:09:57.590 --> 00:10:07.409 Dick Boggs: Yes, deckles. Well, it it saw it as DEIS T. Whatever that meant, but it didn't recognize it at all. 88 00:10:07.550 --> 00:10:10.609 Gary Hallberg: I was surprised you put my name to what I said. 89 00:10:11.100 --> 00:10:19.310 Karl Seeger: That's not that's not even difficult. It you have to remember the AI is going through this tool. So when you talk. 90 00:10:19.740 --> 00:10:24.949 Karl Seeger: it knows the feed is coming from you. That's where it's getting the names from 91 00:10:25.560 --> 00:10:29.159 gail fetterman: That's simple. I could done that without AI. 92 00:10:29.810 --> 00:10:41.269 Dick Boggs: Well, in any event. You have my report, and I'd like to see it approved, and we'll move on with Carl's help and do it again. 93 00:10:41.580 --> 00:10:42.710 Dick Boggs: . 94 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:44.500 Coley: thanks for the hard work that has been done 95 00:10:45.110 --> 00:10:51.259 Karl Seeger: I'll make a motion to approve Dick's minutes as sent out. 96 00:10:51.740 --> 00:10:52.660 Gary Hallberg: Second. 97 00:10:53.070 --> 00:10:54.240 Coley: all in favor. 98 00:10:54.580 --> 00:10:55.440 Karl Seeger: Aye. 99 00:10:56.060 --> 00:10:57.090 Coley: opposed. 100 00:10:58.990 --> 00:11:00.920 Coley: That's Fil 101 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:02.829 Coley: Hello! There! 102 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:08.610 Coley: You're not muted. But you're not making sound either. 103 00:11:12.110 --> 00:11:15.189 Fil Alleva: Treasurer, Right? Can you hear me? Now? There you are. 104 00:11:16.050 --> 00:11:21.339 Gary Hallberg: That's we. Okay? For some reason not. I'm not gonna explain it. 105 00:11:22.010 --> 00:11:24.369 Fil Alleva: no wonder you're ignoring me before. 106 00:11:24.460 --> 00:11:26.559 Coley: Yeah. Sorry 107 00:11:27.220 --> 00:11:45.280 Fil Alleva: my fault. Yeah. You heard about the fees for next year, Pacific raised to to be the same as The Ridge. We're gonna pay about $10,000 more per race weekend at Pacific than we did last year. And also to be clear 108 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:52.340 Fil Alleva: nobody knows when the last time Pacific raised their rates, it was not in anybody's current memory. 109 00:11:52.460 --> 00:12:03.060 Fil Alleva: So it's been a long time coming, and we've been getting a good deal there. So now now we are kind of running at the market rate for both tracks 110 00:12:04.060 --> 00:12:25.740 Fil Alleva: Yeah, other than that. Just for the benefit of the members. We did get a small rebate from Conference from our driver levy fees that we paid last year. Conference has a tradition rebating to the clubs in proportion to the amount that they paid in excess of what is needed by Conference. 111 00:12:25.910 --> 00:12:32.679. 112 00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:59.630 Fil Alleva: So we received a a small check in January, which will be very helpful for outfitting the trailer and other various expenses that we'll have during the year. Other than that, the club is solvent, and we're looking strong for this year. And if there are some unexpected storms, both metaphorical and real, we will be able to weather them. 113 00:13:02.350 --> 00:13:05.389 Dick Boggs: I would make a motion to approve the report as given. 114 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:07.050 Karl Seeger: I'll second 115 00:13:07.430 --> 00:13:09.780 Coley: all in favor of the treasurer's report. 116 00:13:10.380 --> 00:13:11.650 Dick Boggs: Yo, yes. 117 00:13:11.990 --> 00:13:13.060 Coley: upon. 118 00:13:14.630 --> 00:13:19.020 Coley: Okay. thank you, Fil. 119 00:13:20.050 --> 00:13:21.250 Karl Seeger: Yeah. 120 00:13:21.610 --> 00:13:27.490 Karl Seeger: IRDC Race Chair:I don't have a whole lot of things. I'm gonna echo a couple of things here. 121 00:13:28.060 --> 00:13:43.730 Karl Seeger: I've been doing this for 8 or 9 years, and I've never seen an increase in cost at Pacific raceways. So this is a first for me, for there and as Fil and everyone's alluded, the cost now is about equal to the Ridge. 122 00:13:44.660 --> 00:13:50.369 Karl Seeger: Along those lines. I got a notice from the Ridge and 123 00:13:50.660 --> 00:14:02.120 Karl Seeger: I made sure the Fil knew about this the cost for workers at the Ridge is going to go up and that's directly related to Washington State law requirements 124 00:14:02.190 --> 00:14:03.990 Karl Seeger: of minimum wage. 125 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:18.210 Karl Seeger: I haven't heard anything from Pacific race ways along those lines, but it would not surprise me. It is what it is. So there may be some additional costs. 126 00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:24.860 Karl Seeger: We have increased the entry rates and I feel we did a very good job of rolling that around and making it 127 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.170 Karl Seeger: so that we could still 128 00:14:27.260 --> 00:14:34.870 Karl Seeger: run our events still have a cushion, and be very fair to our racers, so I feel pretty good about that. 129 00:14:35.640 --> 00:14:48.270 Karl Seeger: As far as racing is concerned. We made the decision that we will run in Enduro in May at Pacific and we will run in Enduro at the Ridge. 130 00:14:48.940 --> 00:15:02.710 Karl Seeger: the June Pacific Raceways race. It's still a little bit up in the air. Right now there's a proposal for a special race. and we wanted to give the people that wanted to do that some time. 131 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:10.910 Karl Seeger: So they're going to get together and come up with their concept for a special race at Pacific. 132 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:12.150 Karl Seeger: And 133 00:15:12.190 --> 00:15:17.770 Karl Seeger: If that's accepted. That's what we'll do. If not, then we will probably do an Enduro. 134 00:15:18.040 --> 00:15:26.910 Karl Seeger: But We need a little bit more time to flush that out and make sure that it's working. I've made sure that Chris Heinrich knows about 135 00:15:27.190 --> 00:15:39.119 Karl Seeger: our plans, and he is waiting to find out. If we're going to do a second endure with pacific race ways or not? So I will keep them in the loop on that 136 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:50.829 Karl Seeger: the other thing is nerd towing. I talked to them again yesterday. They definitely sound interested. 137 00:15:50.870 --> 00:15:54.080 Karl Seeger: but they need to talk to their new management. 138 00:15:54.410 --> 00:15:56.319 Karl Seeger: I stressed 139 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:06.690 Karl Seeger: that this is kind of time sensitive. I need to have a commitment, because if they don't commit to me, I need to go somewhere else, which will probably be Auburn Valley towing. 140 00:16:06.970 --> 00:16:11.079 Karl Seeger: But I'm giving them a chance because they did help us out. 141 00:16:11.210 --> 00:16:12.080 Karl Seeger: So 142 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:16.599 Karl Seeger: If I don't hear something back by the end of the month. 143 00:16:16.780 --> 00:16:22.299 Karl Seeger: then I'm going to go after Auburn Valley towing. That's the only vendor 144 00:16:22.450 --> 00:16:28.519 Karl Seeger: right now that's up in the air. Everybody else is giving me good solid commitments. So we should be okay. 145 00:16:29.510 --> 00:16:34.779 Karl Seeger: The last thing, the Board had some concerns 146 00:16:34.990 --> 00:16:44.849 Karl Seeger: about an emergency plan. Many of the Board members did not know that we do have an emergency plan 147 00:16:45.300 --> 00:16:46.580 Karl Seeger: and 148 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:58.310 Karl Seeger: So I distributed that to the Board members for review. We'll get a little bit more feedback. My plan is to take the emergency plan. 149 00:16:58.490 --> 00:17:06.909 Karl Seeger: and if it needs updating, I'll update it. I'll make a number of copies. I'll get them laminated 150 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:21.359 Karl Seeger: and they will be in the hands of the people that they need them if something happens. And one word about that part of making an emergency plan work 151 00:17:21.760 --> 00:17:26.100 Karl Seeger: is minimal number of people and defined responsibilities. 152 00:17:26.520 --> 00:17:29.369 Karl Seeger: So the emergency plan basically 153 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:40.140 Karl Seeger: defined what their responsibilities are, and how things are handled during an emergency. And 154 00:17:40.700 --> 00:17:43.850 Karl Seeger: the probably the biggest concern is 155 00:17:44.060 --> 00:17:54.719 Karl Seeger: information and who distributes that information. And currently, on that emergency plan. the key person for distributing the information outside of 156 00:17:54.780 --> 00:18:02.330 Karl Seeger: whoever's working that issue is the race chair or his designate so that can be changed. 157 00:18:02.510 --> 00:18:08.240 Karl Seeger: There was some expressions that maybe we would want to change that to the President. 158 00:18:08.470 --> 00:18:12.769 Karl Seeger: But I would like to talk that out with the board before we do that 159 00:18:13.390 --> 00:18:16.669 Karl Seeger: bottom line is we do have an emergency plan. 160 00:18:16.930 --> 00:18:19.499 Karl Seeger: That will be distributed 161 00:18:19.570 --> 00:18:25.199 Karl Seeger: so that everyone knows if something happens, what needs to take place. 162 00:18:25.460 --> 00:18:33.130 Karl Seeger: We were tasked by Conference a number of years ago to come up with an emergency plan. 163 00:18:33.290 --> 00:18:40.450 Karl Seeger: That's why we have one and I know that I have shared this plan with Northwest motorsports. 164 00:18:40.860 --> 00:18:52.290 Karl Seeger: I wanna say, I shared it somewhere else I can't remember. But basically my policy is, if someone is interested in looking at ours or duplicating it. 165 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.189 Karl Seeger: I have no problems. With that I would much rather have 166 00:18:56.230 --> 00:19:02.590 Karl Seeger: every club have a good valid emergency plan and not be winging it if something happens. 167 00:19:04.970 --> 00:19:06.449 Karl Seeger: Any questions on that. 168 00:19:07.310 --> 00:19:10.840 R.Bostrom: I just thought I would throw in that 169 00:19:10.850 --> 00:19:24.569 R.Bostrom: I was president when that came up, and we copied it from somebody else. But the when we made that decision. The race chair is always at the race. The President isn't always at the race, so the race chair was the logical person to have do that. 170 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:26.950 Karl Seeger: yeah. And 171 00:19:26.980 --> 00:19:33.060 Karl Seeger: and based on experience, I've had with other organizations and things. 172 00:19:33.210 --> 00:19:40.020 Karl Seeger: You don't want to get that too unwieldy big. You really want key people doing key things. 173 00:19:40.270 --> 00:19:45.770 Karl Seeger: And I think there's maybe I wanna say 5 or 6 key people on that list. 174 00:19:46.290 --> 00:19:49.940 Karl Seeger: If you get too many fingers in the pot, then it gets confusing. 175 00:19:50.260 --> 00:19:56.999 Karl Seeger: And so the important part is very defined, roles and responsibilities. 176 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:02.049 Karl Seeger: And, the race chair is always there. 177 00:20:02.190 --> 00:20:03.929 Karl Seeger: And 178 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:13.770 Karl Seeger: there is the ability in there to be able to distribute some of that responsibility. And one of the key points in there is 179 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:17.999 Karl Seeger: finding and contacting family and relatives 180 00:20:18.570 --> 00:20:22.299 gail fetterman: and family and relatives depending on what happened. 181 00:20:22.570 --> 00:20:28.600 Karl Seeger: and who those people are, may or may not need more assistance 182 00:20:29.050 --> 00:20:33.349 Karl Seeger: and my personal feeling when I read the plan again, because it's been a few years. 183 00:20:33.490 --> 00:20:37.209 Karl Seeger: yeah, it's my responsibility. But 184 00:20:37.660 --> 00:20:39.650 Karl Seeger: if I was going to have somebody 185 00:20:39.900 --> 00:20:47.019 Karl Seeger: talk to take care of and keep informed family members. I can't think of a better person than Coley. 186 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:50.970 Fil Alleva: Oh, Carl 187 00:20:52.290 --> 00:21:00.930 Fil Alleva: Karl, one thought that I had is, Coley has ultimate fiduciary responsibility for the continued existence of the club. 188 00:21:01.000 --> 00:21:15.289 Fil Alleva: The the President, okay, who happens to currently be Coley and therefore that's why I was thinking that in terms of communication outside of the paddock community. 189 00:21:15.350 --> 00:21:31.130 Fil Alleva: If that should come to pass the that the President really needs to have a strong hand in communication in terms of managing in the long term impact on the club. 190 00:21:32.910 --> 00:21:43.320 R.Bostrom: Yeah, the issue is just that that it is not an immediate thing, right? That our emergency plan is about what happens mostly in the first 191 00:21:43.330 --> 00:21:49.809 R.Bostrom: half hour to an hour. After that we can designate plenty of communication, and, believe me. 192 00:21:50.020 --> 00:22:01.049 R.Bostrom: after a couple of stents of steward, any one family member will make themselves known immediately if they have a family member who's involved. So 193 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:19.069 Karl Seeger: I'm not saying don't involve Coley. I'm just saying that the guy who is the nexus of all the communication between the track and every single person added, including the steward, is always the race chair right and and the truth of the matter is. we don't want too many. We don't need 194 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:21.280 Karl Seeger: a whole roof of captains 195 00:22:21.380 --> 00:22:26.430 Karl Seeger: we need, hey, Captain, who distributes that information. And 196 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:28.340 Karl Seeger: yes, I'm going to give 197 00:22:28.650 --> 00:22:38.949 Karl Seeger: whoever the current President is, or whoever I deem. as a responsible party. I'm going to give them the current information and make sure that they can distribute that correctly. 198 00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:41.830 Karl Seeger: That's not gonna be an issue. But. 199 00:22:42.770 --> 00:22:53.480 Karl Seeger: you know, thinking on the terms of an emergency situation. I don't need 3 people on the radio calling out and asking for information. That's not gonna happen on my watch. 200 00:22:54.110 --> 00:23:00.199 R.Bostrom: It looked like race chair emeritus. Bruce was trying to say something. 201 00:23:02.040 --> 00:23:03.409 bruceb: Yeah, Bruce, go ahead. 202 00:23:03.540 --> 00:23:18.690 bruceb: Carl. Could you send me a copy of what you currently have? I know I have old copies of the emergency plan. And I think, Rick, you're spot on. I believe we wrote that from a plan that was written by Meta out of 203 00:23:19.120 --> 00:23:21.000 bruceb: Canada. 204 00:23:21.080 --> 00:23:35.950 bruceb: We took a lot of their information and wrote it in there anyway. Carl, would you send me a copy of which have going with the yeah, and Linda Blackburn already pinged me. She wants a copy of it, too. I reread it 205 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:39.340 Karl Seeger: and sent it out to the board and 206 00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:53.040 Karl Seeger: I'll be blunt. I looked at it, and I read through it. This is pretty damn good. I know I didn't come up with all this stuff by myself. I must have stolen this from somewhere. And I wanna say, you were involved. 207 00:23:53.610 --> 00:23:56.680 bruceb: Me? Yeah. Oh, yeah. 208 00:23:56.910 --> 00:24:00.090 bruceb: And yeah, you know, many years ago. 209 00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:11.850 Karl Seeger: I think you handed me a bunch of information. I believe, Bill Spornitz, he handed me a bunch of information and said, Hey, go write this. So you might not have seen the finished product. But 210 00:24:11.860 --> 00:24:16.029 Karl Seeger: I'm certain that's you guys were contributors, if not 211 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:31.789 Karl Seeger: actually writing it or giving additional information for me to base it on. Yeah, if you've rewritten it. That was something that I think Bruce was originally in charge of, that. We got most of it from Meta, and a little bit of Cascade who had done something very recently as well. So if 212 00:24:31.820 --> 00:24:49.410 Karl Seeger: there's there's modifications it'd be interesting to see. It was pretty well polished when we finished for that. So yeah. And and don't think that I did this week. This was probably 5 years ago that I did this, maybe 6 or 7. 213 00:24:49.820 --> 00:24:52.390 Karl Seeger: It's been in place for a long time, and it 214 00:24:52.540 --> 00:24:56.570 Karl Seeger: from looking at it. It's a 215 00:24:56.580 --> 00:25:00.039 Karl Seeger: pretty good document. I'm pretty pretty happy with it. 216 00:25:00.170 --> 00:25:10.680 Karl Seeger: But I will send a copy to you, Bruce. I'll send a copy to Linda. Like, I said, anyone I know that. When we were still having rats meetings in person. 217 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:18.130 Karl Seeger: I offered it to anybody who wanted it, and I'm I'm almost 100% certain. I send it to northwest motorsports. 218 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:29.749 Karl Seeger: So it's I think it's a pretty good document. and I think it hits all the distinct points. and it sets the responsibilities. 219 00:25:29.820 --> 00:25:37.000 Karl Seeger: And basically at the bottom, the procedure is you let the emergency crew do what the emergency crew needs to do, and you leave them to hell alone. 220 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:43.169 Karl Seeger: And as you can derive information, that information can be released. 221 00:25:43.890 --> 00:25:48.499 Karl Seeger: So Rick, would you be interested me send you a copy as well. 222 00:25:50.370 --> 00:25:56.400 R.Bostrom: Think I still have the copy that Bruce wrote, if I look far enough for it. But the 223 00:25:56.410 --> 00:26:03.310 R.Bostrom: I'm always willing. I warehouse things. 224 00:26:03.840 --> 00:26:11.930 Karl Seeger: you probably have a copy, because I know that Conference asked for it, and I sent it in. So you probably have the copy that I wrote. 225 00:26:12.840 --> 00:26:14.100 Karl Seeger: And like I said. 226 00:26:14.360 --> 00:26:18.089 gail fetterman: I'm certain I based it on something else. 227 00:26:19.790 --> 00:26:24.059 Coley: Well, just so, just to recap 228 00:26:25.410 --> 00:26:33.880 Coley: the the race chair is up until that moment of an emergency. Already the captain of the show for the day right? 229 00:26:33.910 --> 00:26:38.329 Coley: And so it makes complete sense that they keep on truckin as captain 230 00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:44.759 Coley: and control the scenario. I think, as a board soon we ought to have a 231 00:26:46.050 --> 00:26:50.250 Coley: I don't want to call it a canned speech, but we should have something written 232 00:26:50.600 --> 00:26:58.470 Coley: A. And this comes from watching Sovren go through what they went through 2 years ago. Right, the press come crawling out of the woodwork when something bad happens 233 00:26:58.760 --> 00:27:07.620 Coley: we'll get clicks, and so we need to be ready should the worst happen where we don't say something stupid. 234 00:27:07.790 --> 00:27:13.099 Coley: I totally 100% agree. 235 00:27:13.410 --> 00:27:40.989 R.Bostrom: If I remember correctly, at least the one that Bruce and I worked on. It was like, yeah, the first thing about Club is, you don't talk about Club, that no one is authorized from any of our authorized groups to be releasing anything. There's plenty of time to release anything officially, you can get yourself in legal hot water, like basically re releasing anything. Yeah. And but it happens, and the wrong people get called by the media, and so just need to be prepared 236 00:27:41.890 --> 00:27:47.129 Karl Seeger: well, and as a side note. And and this might be something we might want to think about. Coley 237 00:27:47.170 --> 00:27:49.270 Coley: when we're talking about radios 238 00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:54.799 Karl Seeger: Phil actually asked me, do we have an encrypted channel on our radio? So we don't. 239 00:27:55.340 --> 00:27:59.029 Karl Seeger: And if we do go to a digital radio. 240 00:27:59.080 --> 00:28:06.530 Karl Seeger: there is that possibility. And it's not like we need to keep our stuff confidential. But 241 00:28:06.730 --> 00:28:13.389 Karl Seeger: it wouldn't hurt to have a single line that is encrypted in case of an emergency. 242 00:28:13.520 --> 00:28:17.679 Karl Seeger: We can do our stuff there, and we can control the information. 243 00:28:18.150 --> 00:28:20.420 Karl Seeger: It's something just food for thought. 244 00:28:20.750 --> 00:28:29.799 R.Bostrom: I'm not even sure on the radios that you have, that that's possible with digital, it's possible to encrypt, but also keep in mind with the digital. It is 245 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:31.509 R.Bostrom: with the I know it is. 246 00:28:31.730 --> 00:28:35.209 R.Bostrom: We're still, are we digital now, are we all? Digital? No. 247 00:28:35.280 --> 00:28:44.870 Karl Seeger: no, we have not updated our radios. And that's a conversation that we're that we're currently having in the back. Everybody on the emergency should have 248 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:57.990 R.Bostrom: everyone else on speed dial because a cell phone is pretty we don't want to be broadcasting much over the radio period. And just to make sure we all understand each other. 249 00:28:58.030 --> 00:29:21.109 R.Bostrom: The balance of power on any race. Weekend is pretty much everything that happens that isn't inside the hot areas is the requirement of the race to the race chair. Anything that is in a hot areas, the responsibility of the steward and those 2 people are the 2 primary people who need to be coordinating in any emergency. Those are really the people that need to go. 250 00:29:23.490 --> 00:29:34.220 Karl Seeger: Yeah, I'll add one more person to that, and that's the E crew. because the E crew runs an awful lot of this. We're really on the information end of it. 251 00:29:34.310 --> 00:29:44.809 R.Bostrom: Yeah. The E crew. They're not, really. We allow them a lot of leeway, but they go out and work, but they are kind of under both the steward, because they're controlled by 252 00:29:44.830 --> 00:29:56.860 R.Bostrom: race control, and the calls are backed by the steward. So they're already under both heads of that. So E-crew is gonna do what the crew does. 253 00:29:57.060 --> 00:29:57.790 Karl Seeger: Yeah 254 00:29:59.080 --> 00:30:08.120 Karl Seeger: at the time the thing that's important in the emergency plan is letting the E crew do what the crew does. 255 00:30:09.620 --> 00:30:13.919 Karl Seeger: That's the most important part. We don't need people who are 256 00:30:14.100 --> 00:30:18.030 Karl Seeger: in the stands telling the crew how to do their job. 257 00:30:20.260 --> 00:30:25.060 Coley: Well, I obviously the primary concern of any incident is 258 00:30:25.210 --> 00:30:26.700 Coley: the driver's safety. 259 00:30:27.090 --> 00:30:30.769 Coley: and we need to let them. As you're saying, let them work. 260 00:30:30.890 --> 00:30:33.509 Coley: and the things need to go on in the background 261 00:30:33.610 --> 00:30:41.129 Coley: to facilitate that and ease that and take care of the family, and I think we all know that the plan seems to cover it pretty well. 262 00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:56.089 Coley: and then we have time to regroup for what comes a couple of days after for the for the next few days. Right? So we've got a great start. I think we can improve upon it just a little bit. But I think we just need to 263 00:30:56.160 --> 00:31:02.160 Coley: go through this exercise more often than we have. Just so everybody's sharp and fresh, and 264 00:31:02.270 --> 00:31:03.799 Coley: we've been lucky for 265 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:05.760 Coley: decades, but 266 00:31:06.090 --> 00:31:08.490 Coley: you know we gotta remember what we're doing here. So 267 00:31:09.420 --> 00:31:13.199 Karl Seeger: no, and I agree I don't think it hurts for 268 00:31:13.270 --> 00:31:24.760 Karl Seeger: at a minimum, the board to have some more further discussions about this, you know, the emergency plan is the emergency plan. And that's what happens when the event happens. 269 00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:33.330 Karl Seeger: It's pretty distinct. But above, beyond that we should have a plan laid out as well. So we make sure that we don't. 270 00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.659 Karl Seeger: Let's put it bluntly. Say something stupid at the wrong time. 271 00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:44.510 Karl Seeger: probably the best thing. And I kinda heard Rick say, this is, don't say anything until 272 00:31:44.860 --> 00:31:48.120 Karl Seeger: we have definite information. 273 00:31:48.800 --> 00:31:52.469 Karl Seeger: Take a breath and we can disperse that correctly. 274 00:31:53.260 --> 00:32:10.889 R.Bostrom: All of that has to go through. Once you're past the actual emergency it has to go through whoever your designated person is, this can do the communication which is likely to be Coley, because he has a legal responsibility. Can I ask just a simple question? Bruce and I were doing the investigation. This 275 00:32:11.100 --> 00:32:18.299 R.Bostrom: Pacific Raceways had their own emergency plan, and the first step in it was, lock the gates and don't let the police in. 276 00:32:18.540 --> 00:32:19.730 Dick Boggs: Yeah. 277 00:32:19.840 --> 00:32:21.560 R.Bostrom: that's the truth. 278 00:32:23.310 --> 00:32:28.300 Karl Seeger: Yeah. And I haven't seen that I would actually be kind of interested. 279 00:32:28.330 --> 00:32:31.900 Karl Seeger: in what Pacific raceways 280 00:32:32.040 --> 00:32:35.410 Karl Seeger: plan is, and 281 00:32:35.760 --> 00:32:39.210 Karl Seeger: equally as also what the Ridges plans are. 282 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:44.970 Coley: Yeah. Sounds like we have more research to do. That shocks me. 283 00:32:46.280 --> 00:32:48.810 Coley: It's probably why is 284 00:32:48.940 --> 00:32:51.299 Coley: to delay things. But 285 00:32:51.790 --> 00:32:57.379 Coley: that just means we're bringing in a helicopter. 286 00:32:57.430 --> 00:33:17.249 R.Bostrom: a motorcyclist who died, and the problem was that they wanted to control. They wanted to meet whoever was coming to the gate and make sure that the people who came on had a purpose and wasn't going to lead them to a legal issue. They're not trying to delay the the response. It's just 287 00:33:17.250 --> 00:33:32.759 Coley: they were worried about the legal ramifications of any of those things that would happen. I knew they weren't doing response to keep out safety personnel cause they're already on site, but getting the control before. Yeah, no, that makes sense. Just a little surprised. 288 00:33:33.840 --> 00:33:35.030 Karl Seeger: Due diligence. 289 00:33:35.380 --> 00:33:47.720 Coley: You know, we have a responsibility as the volunteers to keep our heads about us. I know how the rumor mill and chatter go. Hell! I crashed a couple of years ago and 5, 290 00:33:47.730 --> 00:33:53.750 Coley: and the person sitting in front of my girlfriend at the time, who had only this is her first race. 291 00:33:53.800 --> 00:33:59.950 Coley: blurted out that my car was upside down and and in turn 5, and I was not upside down, but she almost 292 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:07.689 Coley: defecated herself. And this is just how it goes. Right. Things get spilled, and the radios and the chatter. And 293 00:34:07.770 --> 00:34:09.789 Coley: so, you know, it's up to us 294 00:34:09.810 --> 00:34:11.949 Coley: just to keep the situation calm. 295 00:34:12.139 --> 00:34:16.460 Coley: not overreact, not panic, and follow the procedures. Then we'll be fine. 296 00:34:17.010 --> 00:34:21.750 bruceb: So whoever was around in the days of the Steve Piper event 297 00:34:21.949 --> 00:34:23.130 Coley: so 298 00:34:23.179 --> 00:34:29.179 bruceb: Oh, yes, I was fortunate enough to be the race chair. 299 00:34:29.929 --> 00:34:32.810 bruceb: so I had to call families 300 00:34:33.210 --> 00:34:36.199 bruceb: all those sort of things so definitely 301 00:34:36.260 --> 00:34:41.800 bruceb: people in the roles, such as Carl and I and Coley and 302 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:46.019 bruceb: anybody else who's involved definitely has to have 303 00:34:46.179 --> 00:34:49.520 bruceb: an understanding of what a cool head is 304 00:34:49.600 --> 00:34:54.709 bruceb: in the line of fire. And basically it means don't say anything 305 00:34:54.860 --> 00:35:01.020 bruceb: unless you know, you really know who you're talking to. And in today's world of social media. 306 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:14.430 bruceb: Oh, my goodness. Coley, you're you're exactly right. You don't know what's gonna get said. And the other things are happening, cars as soon as they come in on the 307 00:35:14.600 --> 00:35:16.259 bruceb: on the hook, if you will. 308 00:35:16.400 --> 00:35:19.799 bruceb: I mean there's all those sorts of things that have to be put into play. 309 00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:31.090 bruceb: And I think most of that's in that thing we wrote Rick, or what Carl currently has but, anyway, and you know, today, tarping cars is a big issue when it come 310 00:35:31.180 --> 00:35:37.450 bruceb: being drug off track, especially if there's been an injury involved. because everybody wants to run over and take a picture of it 311 00:35:37.610 --> 00:35:43.640 bruceb: and put it on Facebook or whatever they put it on. 312 00:35:43.680 --> 00:36:01.960 R.Bostrom: And I would double. So he accentuated one of those parts when he says, Don't talk to anybody unless you know exactly who you you're talking to, and don't say anything that you don't completely know is true. We sometimes pass on information that we reliably get from other people 313 00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:03.939 R.Bostrom: that leads us to trouble. 314 00:36:04.570 --> 00:36:05.480 bruceb: Yep. 315 00:36:05.700 --> 00:36:08.179 I don't remember what club did it with 316 00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:19.610 Gary Hallberg: but one time there was an injured driver. They did not put any information out over the race net. They did it over the net. The registration the gatekeeper were on. 317 00:36:19.900 --> 00:36:21.830 Gary Hallberg: and I didn't agree with that one. 318 00:36:25.430 --> 00:36:35.339 R.Bostrom: Yeah, if somebody overhears that at driver services on one of the radios that's set out there, and we're that we think somebody is hurt. That's when 319 00:36:35.750 --> 00:36:54.239 R.Bostrom: people start running across the paddock because let's face it. The amount of risk that most of us undertake is very, very slightly elevated. From the way we normally live our lives, we should have an expectation that we could go our entire racing careers without having 320 00:36:54.830 --> 00:37:03.179 R.Bostrom: maybe more than one or 2 noteworthy things where somebody got more than slightly injured. But 321 00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:08.550 R.Bostrom: we just cannot allow that stuff to immediately go out. You gotta make sure who you're hurting before you hurt them 322 00:37:08.870 --> 00:37:09.530 Coley: right. 323 00:37:10.340 --> 00:37:23.780 Coley: Well, I think we all remember when Jeff Clark left, turn one and left again in a helicopter, and it was a bit of a chaotic situation. People were talking, and there was rumors and 324 00:37:24.620 --> 00:37:26.970 Coley: so can avoid it. 325 00:37:27.530 --> 00:37:34.879 R.Bostrom: I was at the track, and there were literally before they got him out of the car. There were people calling me to find out what had happened. 326 00:37:34.910 --> 00:37:40.869 Gary Hallberg: Quick! It spread. That's what I'm saying. So I was in turn 2, and I was one of the first people there. 327 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.990 Karl Seeger: Well. you know, being in the raised chair seat. 328 00:37:47.150 --> 00:37:50.780 Karl Seeger: I've had our insurance 329 00:37:50.790 --> 00:37:52.499 Karl Seeger: advisor call me up 330 00:37:54.060 --> 00:37:58.869 Coley: within 30 min of something happening on track to ask me questions. 331 00:37:59.170 --> 00:38:00.250 Karl Seeger: and it's like 332 00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:12.120 Coley: hell. How did you find out so quick. I think it just illustrates how important it is that we follow these procedures, and that we have on the board and all. And the key personnel review them 333 00:38:12.410 --> 00:38:15.609 Coley: probably several times a year, maybe before every event. 334 00:38:16.830 --> 00:38:20.039 Coley: Maybe the Saturday morning before the event starts. 335 00:38:20.820 --> 00:38:22.130 Karl Seeger: Well, 336 00:38:22.150 --> 00:38:28.349 Karl Seeger: the unfortunate thing is back when we had the big Steve Piper thing, 337 00:38:28.410 --> 00:38:36.660 Karl Seeger: social media wasn't that big? And everybody didn't have a cell phone that takes pictures and video. We live in a different world. 338 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:49.139 Karl Seeger: If something happens between turn 2 and turn 7, I feel pretty confident that we can keep that pretty much under control and under wraps. 339 00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:52.720 Karl Seeger: but from turn 7 to turn 2. 340 00:38:54.850 --> 00:38:56.219 Coley: If you know 341 00:38:56.310 --> 00:39:08.120 Karl Seeger: if it's right there in front of them, I can guarantee that every other person's gonna have their cell phone out, and it's gonna be hard to contain. No, you can't stop it. There's nothing much you can do about it. 342 00:39:08.410 --> 00:39:24.919 Shannon: Can I make a comment on all this. So when, when my crash happened, I my car hadn't even made it back to the paddock, and my friend, who has a similar car to mine, called me from Portland, and wanted to know how I was. 343 00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:38.729 Shannon: because one of the turn workers had told him, had called him and said that I had been involved in an accident. So maybe we should mention to the turn workers, not saying that they're not trustworthy, but we might say something to the turn workers about what we're talking about now. 344 00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:48.659 R.Bostrom: No, we should. That's definitely something we should. We should bring them more in, I think sometimes we think of ourselves as separate, but we should make sure they understand our plan as well. 345 00:39:48.740 --> 00:39:49.660 Coley: Thank you. 346 00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:57.099 Gary Hallberg: Phoefer had his accident. That was one of my worst days at the track, because I was in 4. I saw the end of that. 347 00:39:57.540 --> 00:40:06.379 Gary Hallberg: and then I heard the starter mentioning him, and I said he sounds like he's gonna cry. And he collapsed with a heart attack. And he went in the ambulance. 348 00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:07.850 Coley: Yeah, that was a bad day. 349 00:40:07.970 --> 00:40:09.770 Karl Seeger: Yeah, it was a bad day. 350 00:40:10.020 --> 00:40:12.420 Brad Greco: It's probably not a bad idea to 351 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:30.539 Brad Greco: maybe purchase a couple of large sized tarps to keep in the equipment trailer. So in case that someone does get hurt, in the day of social media, if we pull a car off, it's tarped. And that way it can't process. So maybe, Coley, you and I maybe put that on our list. And 352 00:40:30.560 --> 00:40:38.940 Coley: oh, yeah. 353 00:40:39.350 --> 00:40:50.279 Coley: . But we need to keep them in in the safety truck, not the trailer cause that's usually long way away. But yeah, I already have that point. 354 00:40:50.490 --> 00:40:54.290 Karl Seeger: you know, not to temp fate. We probably need a couple of them, because. 355 00:40:54.570 --> 00:41:06.139 Karl Seeger: yeah, we're talking about worst case scenario here. But anytime somebody has a vehicle taken off track, I think in this day and age. Now we should probably tarp it. 356 00:41:06.360 --> 00:41:15.030 Karl Seeger: I mean, Coley decides, he wants to climb the hill again or I decide, I want to go touch the tires. 357 00:41:15.620 --> 00:41:22.379 Karl Seeger: nobody needs to be taking pictures of that, even though everybody walked away and everything was fine. But I murdered a car. 358 00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:26.240 Brad Greco: I don't want that on social media. Actually, that's not a bad idea. 359 00:41:26.600 --> 00:41:31.290 Coley: You couldn't tell with mine. I just bent the wheel. So you take the trophy on that one. 360 00:41:31.350 --> 00:41:49.540 R.Bostrom: Our, our, our process is supposed to be that any car that gets significant cosmetic damage comes to tech and is covered on the spot so they can do a spot inspection of it. Make sure that they note what needs to be changed before it comes back. We've gotten out of the habit of doing that. 361 00:41:49.590 --> 00:42:05.330 R.Bostrom: We that will be part of steward training if we ever find the steward candidate, because that cars need to pass through tech through the tech spot. I know it angers people that they just had an accident, and then they and their car gets delivered to tech. But that needs to be done. 362 00:42:05.710 --> 00:42:09.099 Coley: Is there any possibility that we should consider 363 00:42:09.150 --> 00:42:14.650 Coley: dumping the car behind turn 7. Not gonna be used again that day, anyway. 364 00:42:15.620 --> 00:42:18.699 And not bring it back to general populace. 365 00:42:21.810 --> 00:42:40.999 R.Bostrom: There's a lot of people who are gonna want to try to find some way to shovel that into their trailer and prepare to leave. So I think it's reasonable to have somebody inspect it to make sure that there's a note in their logbook. If there's anything that has to be rectified for the next time it runs. So 366 00:42:41.410 --> 00:42:48.050 Karl Seeger: in in actuality, a lot of these things we're talking about now should brought up with the rats meeting as well. 367 00:42:48.530 --> 00:42:55.530 Karl Seeger: I think the emergency plan discussion needs to be at the rats meeting because those they're all the correct people 368 00:42:55.600 --> 00:42:57.079 Karl Seeger: to hear about that 369 00:42:57.250 --> 00:43:08.080 Karl Seeger: inspections after crash, you know, after incidents. I gotta agree with you, Rick, on, that. We've been pretty relaxed on that 370 00:43:08.200 --> 00:43:10.940 Karl Seeger: anytime something comes in on a hook. 371 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:32.279 R.Bostrom: It's gotta be looked at by the tech inspector, and it's gotta be logged in there, there's a level, and it's pretty easy to decide when that level for it to be looked at. Most things come in. They got a corner torn off, or the brake line busted. It's that's all doable, that's cosmetic. But if it gets to the point where it's a safety issue. 372 00:43:32.330 --> 00:43:43.690 R.Bostrom: it needs to done. And if it's the kind of thing that people gonna run down and take a picture of it should be going to tech be pushed off behind the scales with the tarp over it so they can get a chance to look at it. 373 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:44.770 gail fetterman: Yeah. 374 00:43:45.040 --> 00:43:46.860 Gary Hallberg: But we need a target. 375 00:43:47.500 --> 00:43:54.659 Karl Seeger: Well, yeah, these are all good things that need to be. I think we need to have further discussions. We need to bring it up in the rats meeting. 376 00:43:55.090 --> 00:43:58.079 Coley: for now I think we've beat the horses. 377 00:43:58.270 --> 00:43:59.030 Karl Seeger: Yeah. 378 00:43:59.290 --> 00:44:03.340 bruceb: Karl, I think one important thing about that whole issue 379 00:44:03.370 --> 00:44:12.910 bruceb: is to make sure that the tow truck drivers know what they're instructed to do with the vehicle, because so often they're told, maybe by the driver out on track 380 00:44:13.330 --> 00:44:23.169 bruceb: to take it to their paddock spot at some location, wherever it might be. I agree. And we need to really instruct the tow truck drivers what that their first stop location is. 381 00:44:23.620 --> 00:44:38.970 R.Bostrom: In certain cases we've made it so that we inform the tech person, and the tech person says I'll meet them at their trailer and inspect the car, which I don't have a problem with, but that has to be agreed. 382 00:44:39.230 --> 00:44:49.859 Karl Seeger: I don't want my tow trucks tied up too long. I mean I would prefer tech to meet a at their trailer and drop it there so I can get my tow trucks back on site. 383 00:44:50.080 --> 00:44:56.779 Karl Seeger: That's something important. I need to have those staged and ready in case something else happens. 384 00:44:57.060 --> 00:44:57.960 Karl Seeger: So 385 00:44:58.560 --> 00:45:01.740 Karl Seeger: yeah, but I mean, we, have to consider where 386 00:45:02.100 --> 00:45:08.680 Fil Alleva: we have to consider where tech is and all of that as well, often there's more room in the paddock than there is in the tech area. 387 00:45:09.590 --> 00:45:11.860 Coley: Well. 388 00:45:11.980 --> 00:45:16.409 Coley: I think what we're referring to in most cases is the scale area. 389 00:45:16.530 --> 00:45:17.440 Coley: probably, at 390 00:45:18.750 --> 00:45:21.390 Coley: at least at Pacific. Not so much at the Ridge. 391 00:45:22.020 --> 00:45:24.589 Coley: We'll have to discuss this further for sure. 392 00:45:24.740 --> 00:45:30.450 Karl Seeger: Yeah. And you know, at Pacific race ways. It's also been known for 393 00:45:30.580 --> 00:45:35.840 Karl Seeger: vehicles to end up over by Pacific raceways administration offices. 394 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.969 Karl Seeger: There's 2 advantages there. It's quiet. 395 00:45:39.110 --> 00:45:44.069 Dick Boggs: It's out of view. If we take them up to the scales. That's kinda like. 396 00:45:44.570 --> 00:45:46.350 Karl Seeger: you know, putting a spotlight on them. 397 00:45:48.240 --> 00:45:53.540 Coley: But like, I said, this is something we can discuss later. Alright. 398 00:45:55.710 --> 00:45:59.690 Coley: yeah, that's everyone. So we can move on to new business. 399 00:46:00.310 --> 00:46:05.110 Coley: Does anybody have any new business we haven't discussed previously to your knowledge 400 00:46:05.830 --> 00:46:07.430 Coley: that they'd like to discuss. 401 00:46:09.640 --> 00:46:11.440 Coley: and anyone I mean anyone. 402 00:46:11.610 --> 00:46:14.479 Coley: even people not on the call. Oh, Bruce! 403 00:46:28.550 --> 00:46:41.619 bruceb: In the minutes that Dick sent out it referenced that there was a concern about the July race at Pacific. and the way I read it was like whether we're gonna have it or not. 404 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:43.120 Coley: Nope. 405 00:46:43.330 --> 00:46:45.489 bruceb: that's not what the intent. 406 00:46:45.640 --> 00:46:48.830 Coley: No, we're not in question there. 407 00:46:48.940 --> 00:46:56.730 Karl Seeger: The the concern for the July race of Pacific raceways is whether or not we will have an EnDuro 408 00:46:56.830 --> 00:46:58.710 Karl Seeger: or a special race. 409 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:23.099 Karl Seeger: Okay? But I just wanted to clarify that that there will be a race, that weekend there will be a race. What's what's to be determined is, will it have an enduro, or will it be a special race? If Bruce interpreted that as being worried of whether we're going to have a race that would lead me to believe that it was not clear in the word. 410 00:47:24.010 --> 00:47:30.450 Coley: Yeah. Fortunately it was just the board, so we did not set the entire club into panic. 411 00:47:32.730 --> 00:47:35.650 Dick Boggs: AI is fun 412 00:47:35.870 --> 00:47:39.680 bruceb: on the equipment trailer 413 00:47:40.790 --> 00:47:54.060 bruceb: I was on sovereign board meeting last night. They wanted to know what the latest was, and if we're gonna have equipment and blah blah blah. so it sounds to me like we're pretty much on track for the end of April 414 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:56.229 bruceb: to have that thing put together. 415 00:47:56.370 --> 00:47:58.979 Coley: Even if we're not, we still have the truck. So 416 00:47:59.410 --> 00:48:03.950 bruceb: yeah, I mean, yeah, the only thing would be if we're in flux on moving stuff. And 417 00:48:04.200 --> 00:48:05.170 bruceb: so 418 00:48:05.860 --> 00:48:06.980 Coley: yeah, I wouldn't. 419 00:48:08.730 --> 00:48:11.739 bruceb: Okay, I would schedule that, knowing that we have 420 00:48:11.990 --> 00:48:16.860 Coley: customers that rent our equipment, we would make sure that we were not in the middle of something. 421 00:48:16.920 --> 00:48:22.229 bruceb: Got to cover other things before, like when the truck wouldn't run right. 422 00:48:22.250 --> 00:48:28.200 bruceb: That was an interesting afternoon. 423 00:48:28.850 --> 00:48:30.160 bruceb: Okay. 424 00:48:30.350 --> 00:48:35.489 bruceb: as far as the equipment trailer and volunteers to help do whatever 425 00:48:35.940 --> 00:48:39.009 bruceb: I mean. Put my name on the list, assuming I'm 426 00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:45.499 bruceb: in town or whenever it's gonna be. But I'm more than happy to bring the circular saws and the 427 00:48:46.750 --> 00:48:51.060 Coley: saws, walls, and whatever needs to be done. So 428 00:48:51.600 --> 00:48:56.310 Coley: we had discussed bringing it here to my house because 429 00:48:56.540 --> 00:49:01.919 Coley: our saws, tools, and room to work. So we'll figure it out. 430 00:49:02.510 --> 00:49:04.010 bruceb: That's all I've got. 431 00:49:04.160 --> 00:49:05.910 bruceb: I'm done. 432 00:49:06.090 --> 00:49:13.040 Coley: I did clarify. Since we keep clarifying things earlier when Carl said that the cost of workers 433 00:49:13.270 --> 00:49:16.659 Coley: has gone up at the Ridge. Just so, everyone knows 434 00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:22.010 Coley: and isn't confused. We only hire workers when 435 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:30.130 Coley: and it only seems to be needed when we are overlapping with another organization such as say, Indy, car. 436 00:49:30.620 --> 00:49:32.219 Coley: wait a minute and zoom, wait a minute. 437 00:49:32.820 --> 00:49:34.009 Karl Seeger: Wait a minute back up. 438 00:49:34.060 --> 00:49:38.709 Karl Seeger: Well, we only hire workers on Fridays. 439 00:49:39.620 --> 00:49:59.830 Coley: workers on race weekends only on Fridays. That's the workers I'm talking about. Okay, yep. The one thing that frustrates the workers more than anything is to have volunteers and paid workers working shoulder by shoulder. So and that's why we try and avoid it with at all costs. 440 00:50:00.640 --> 00:50:06.249 Coley: Yeah, we only do it on Fridays. And that's a minimal crew. 441 00:50:06.260 --> 00:50:08.040 Karl Seeger: because it's a test and tune. 442 00:50:08.170 --> 00:50:08.860 Coley: Right? 443 00:50:11.170 --> 00:50:15.720 Coley: So that's how everyone knows how that works. 444 00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:19.760 Coley: Do we have additional new business. 445 00:50:19.850 --> 00:50:22.040 Gary Hallberg: Coley. It's yeah 446 00:50:22.060 --> 00:50:23.679 Gary Hallberg: kind of maybe old. 447 00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:33.020 Gary Hallberg: We had talked in the fall that with the track, and they said they would buy supplies to fix up some of the turn stations if we did the work. 448 00:50:33.640 --> 00:50:35.819 Gary Hallberg: and I think we kind of forgot about that. 449 00:50:35.850 --> 00:50:37.180 Coley: No, we didn't forget 450 00:50:37.250 --> 00:50:42.280 Gary Hallberg: we didn't do it, did we? Well, so I went out there and drove 451 00:50:42.430 --> 00:50:46.599 Coley: the track with John Ramsey, and we stopped at every station, and 452 00:50:46.820 --> 00:50:59.909 Coley: because it wasn't pouring down rain that day. We can only find 2 stations, one station that's obvious. And another station, we assume leaks. 453 00:51:00.180 --> 00:51:02.549 Coley: we are planning on doing that 454 00:51:02.890 --> 00:51:03.860 Coley: in March 455 00:51:05.200 --> 00:51:14.359 Karl Seeger: also, I queried. All the workers couple of races in a row and at the rain race. I really stressed it 456 00:51:14.390 --> 00:51:16.590 Karl Seeger: to give me your 457 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:18.650 Karl Seeger: issues. 458 00:51:18.680 --> 00:51:29.720 Karl Seeger: complaints, observations about the turnstations. I took all that information, and I sent it to John Ramsey. So he has that information as well. 459 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.259 R.Bostrom: So that's funny. The 460 00:51:34.350 --> 00:51:52.859 R.Bostrom: I've been working for my current employer for 17 and a half years. The last time we went out I got my employer to donate an entire farmers pack of lumber and materials for, and we did a great job on that, and it surprises me now. I remember Ron Johnson was there. So that's starting to be a while ago, but it was 461 00:51:52.940 --> 00:51:57.939 R.Bostrom: that means it was at least 18 years ago. Wow! I remember it, Rick. 462 00:51:58.010 --> 00:52:03.609 bruceb: It was a bit of a rainy day. We had my open trailer with a generator on it. 463 00:52:03.890 --> 00:52:07.500 R.Bostrom: and we went station to station. 464 00:52:07.560 --> 00:52:17.529 R.Bostrom: Yep, fixed everything, and we cut a new. We cut a new groove in the track and put down a new timing. We did a lot for the track that day. 465 00:52:17.590 --> 00:52:25.469 Coley: Well, we've come a long way right? We use every spring. We would have a clean up party, and it seemed like Irdc was the only club that would show up in force 466 00:52:26.500 --> 00:52:28.910 Coley: and hacked down bushes and blackberries. 467 00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:32.920 Gary Hallberg: We used to get a free track day like for school. 468 00:52:33.310 --> 00:52:40.849 Gary Hallberg: . The worker were from Worma or the motorcycle people. They were getting a free day 469 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.420 Gary Hallberg: when they found out that ended it. 470 00:52:45.310 --> 00:52:49.850 Gary Hallberg: And we're building the stations. I helped build the first 3 or so. 471 00:52:49.930 --> 00:53:00.269 Gary Hallberg: and I think I was the only worker out there. And I tell the workers cause we really like these. These were built by drivers and we appreciate it. Yep. 472 00:53:04.020 --> 00:53:07.450 Coley: yeah, thanks for bringing that up, Gary, it's still on the agenda. 473 00:53:08.930 --> 00:53:14.500 Coley: I think we are bigger. When I ask people what the problems are. The biggest response I get is bees. 474 00:53:15.110 --> 00:53:20.200 Gary Hallberg: Yeah, not much. We can do about those. 475 00:53:20.970 --> 00:53:21.660 Okay. 476 00:53:23.170 --> 00:53:28.580 Karl Seeger: hey? I will give the Ramsey a Semi gold star for effort. 477 00:53:29.070 --> 00:53:33.590 gail fetterman: They cleaned out everybody for Bug spray, trying to get rid of those bees. 478 00:53:33.900 --> 00:53:37.100 Karl Seeger: That was worse than the plague. 479 00:53:38.790 --> 00:53:44.430 Coley: Unfortunately they hung the bee traps on the station, which tends to draw them even closer. 480 00:53:45.620 --> 00:53:50.630 Karl Seeger: Yeah, I think turned 13. They evacuated. cause it was so bad. 481 00:53:50.820 --> 00:53:53.129 Coley: I think Kristen was on on that 482 00:53:56.980 --> 00:53:58.020 Gary Hallberg: right. 483 00:53:58.270 --> 00:54:02.529 Gary Hallberg: The grid got it with the drivers. 484 00:54:03.650 --> 00:54:05.409 Coley: Well, they were everywhere. 485 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:09.620 Coley: Do we have additional old business? 486 00:54:11.500 --> 00:54:12.819 Dick Boggs: Good of the order? 487 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.200 Coley: Seems probable. 488 00:54:17.040 --> 00:54:20.849 R.Bostrom just wanna say that in getting the minutes. 489 00:54:21.050 --> 00:54:34.399 R.Bostrom: Whoever it was who complained about the conference meeting being disorganized, I thought we had a well organized meeting, and Dwayne for his first meeting as a President, I thought he did an awesome job, so 490 00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:36.150 R.Bostrom: bah! Humbug! 491 00:54:36.600 --> 00:54:41.330 Coley: No, that's what I was talking about with AI. It was very brief. 492 00:54:41.470 --> 00:54:52.340 Coley: that was brought up, and I think it started with the complaint about Zoom. because we were trying to figure out how to use closed captioning and and my recollection 493 00:54:52.520 --> 00:55:06.019 Coley: the discussion about the fall meeting was pretty brief and and not at all hostile. And so when Dwayne and I talked, it reassured him that that's not really it. That's a problem with AI, right? It doesn't have any inflection. 494 00:55:06.270 --> 00:55:09.100 Coley: doesn't have any intent. So 495 00:55:09.810 --> 00:55:12.250 Coley: some growing growing pain there. 496 00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:17.790 Karl Seeger: the AI is a really great tool for getting a lot of information, but 497 00:55:17.970 --> 00:55:19.929 Karl Seeger: you cannot take it 498 00:55:20.110 --> 00:55:27.160 Karl Seeger: and directly send it out. It has to be edited. 499 00:55:27.290 --> 00:55:32.430 Karl Seeger: It doesn't handle ambiguity at all. So 500 00:55:32.640 --> 00:55:38.359 Karl Seeger: yeah. if the secretary chooses to use the AI redition 501 00:55:38.430 --> 00:55:48.829 Karl Seeger: to generate the minutes, I'm certain they could cut many hours off of writing them, but it still needs to be gone through, and it needs to be cleaned up and edited. 502 00:55:49.160 --> 00:56:01.939 R.Bostrom: I think it works fine, and as a matter of fact, I thought that it came out. It looked just fine. So if it saves time and you get more context, more information. Good for you, Dick, for learn how to use it. 503 00:56:02.050 --> 00:56:07.140 Dick Boggs: I'm doing the best I can, folks. 504 00:56:07.660 --> 00:56:13.480 gail fetterman: Yes, you know you talked about the cost of workers just as a reminder. 505 00:56:13.730 --> 00:56:25.769 gail fetterman: Everything is going up in price, as all of the motels in the Seattle area and the Canadian rate is now a dollar 1.35 on $1.00 US 506 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:27.820 gail fetterman: that will hurt 507 00:56:28.540 --> 00:56:35.509 gail fetterman: when you know a couple comes down and tries to stay in a motel, and there have nobody to share with. So just 508 00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:36.530 gail fetterman: heads up. 509 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:40.679 Coley: Noted. That's for sure. 510 00:56:41.110 --> 00:56:42.790 Gary Hallberg: They do get mileage. 511 00:56:44.170 --> 00:56:50.340 gail fetterman: Yeah, they get the same mileage that we get in the US. And yet it's gonna cost them more. 512 00:56:51.220 --> 00:56:57.410 R.Bostrom: I've been, you know, I'm the young guy among the people who I race with, but the 513 00:56:57.580 --> 00:57:20.130 R.Bostrom: I I've been racing for. I don't know something like 22 years, and I since the first race I ran I always put $20 in the workers fund every time I run. Maybe it's time for me to start nudging some of my fellow racers to maybe boost that up to 30 we need to make sure that the workers have enough. Don't we appreciate that they volunteer? We want them to have a place to stay. 514 00:57:20.500 --> 00:57:21.160 Coley: Fil. 515 00:57:22.120 --> 00:57:37.589 Fil Alleva: I have increased the the recommended contribution to the Workers fund not to 30 yet. It's to 25 now. But it's still a long way to mitigating the increased costs. Our workers are seeing 516 00:57:38.250 --> 00:57:41.590 Gary Hallberg: like half of the out-of-town workers stay at Mike Evans house. 517 00:57:41.790 --> 00:57:42.460 Fil Alleva: Hmm. 518 00:57:42.780 --> 00:57:43.580 gail fetterman: okay. 519 00:57:45.500 --> 00:57:54.279 Fil Alleva: I do have a item, I'm gonna try and call a meeting for people who are interested in 520 00:57:54.310 --> 00:58:10.210 Fil Alleva: contributing their brain cells to the special race. The possible special race in July. For next week. I've been kind of trying to encourage the people who raise their hands 521 00:58:10.260 --> 00:58:20.510 Fil Alleva: in the survey. I did. And now people are begging off. However, I did get racer on rails to agree to sponsor the trophies. 522 00:58:20.680 --> 00:58:22.930 Fil Alleva: So 523 00:58:23.450 --> 00:58:27.990 Fil Alleva: we have a small amount of money to do something a little bit different for that one race there. 524 00:58:28.510 --> 00:58:37.740 Fil Alleva: We'll see. We'll see what happens. But right now, everybody's really afraid that they might have to do some work 525 00:58:43.570 --> 00:58:47.730 Fil Alleva: to it kindly. 526 00:58:47.770 --> 00:58:56.849 Karl Seeger: So, Coley, you're instilling fear into people every time you ask for volunteers. 527 00:58:58.200 --> 00:59:05.609 Fil Alleva: I don't think it matters who does. The problem is, if you look at the the names on the squares that are on this deal. 528 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:14.189 R.Bostrom: you're already pretty heavy into people who, literally given like tons of volunteering at this point. 529 00:59:14.270 --> 00:59:26.109 Fil Alleva: I'm very clear of who I'm asking and who I'm not asking. I'm particularly keep people who are currently volunteering. I'm kind of specifically asking they do not volunteer for this. 530 00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:31.019 Fil Alleva: You know, we can easily do. And Enduro with no additional work. 531 00:59:31.770 --> 00:59:35.860 Coley: Yeah, but I think we need to explore options to keep it fresh. 532 00:59:36.370 --> 00:59:42.150 Coley: And you're pretty good, pretty creative with some of that stuff. So I'm excited to see what you've 533 00:59:42.610 --> 00:59:46.390 R.Bostrom: got in mind. Do something fun. 534 00:59:46.700 --> 01:00:16.520 R.Bostrom: but I just gonna say we always tried to come up with something fun. The the German race, the German car special race. I, my wife, shopped every thrift store within a 50 mile radius and bought every beer stein there was for awards. You know, we bought Japanese toys for the Japan versus us, or whatever it was, you know. Just find something fun, something that's a good thing, because these races are pretty light hearted when you do the special race. So 535 01:00:19.160 --> 01:00:23.000 Coley: okay that it go to the Good of theorder. 536 01:00:23.490 --> 01:00:25.370 Dick Boggs: Yeah, I think so. 537 01:00:26.990 --> 01:00:30.929 Coley: Okay. you've all sealed your fate by being quiet. 538 01:00:31.340 --> 01:00:32.950 Gary Hallberg: I moved me and you jerked. 539 01:00:33.580 --> 01:00:36.139 Dick Boggs: I'll second 540 01:00:36.220 --> 01:00:38.949 Coley: all in favor of adjourning discussion. 541 01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:43.240 Dick Boggs: Yo. 542 01:00:43.350 --> 01:00:44.710 Coley: all in favor. Okay.